The subject you spoke about is dear to my heart. My comment is not in any way to disagree with your argument. However, at the same time I find it difficult to accept that the whole yeshiva system is disastrous.. First of all, not everyone is cut out to become a posek. Secondly, even if we are, I learned how to drive a car before I learned how to drive a bus. My question is whether you are opposed (and if you are, why) to learning a daf with meforshim such as the ritva and the marshah, who focus on the pshat. They ask questions and suggest answers that "it appears to me." They don't confuse you with all kinds of opinions and answers and they don't tackle the whole suguah all at once. They teach you line by line and follow a similar format and style of logic as the tosphos themselves. The student is trained over time how to approach the back and forth of the gemorah without accepting everything immediately. Furthermore, during this stage of learning the student focuses on trying to understand the underlying reasoning of both rava and abaye, rav and Shmuel and at this stage the halacha is not relevant. Even if untimately the halacha is like one over the other it doesn't mean that the other opinion is not necessary to know. If it wasn't, why did the gemorah bother to tell us their opinion. I would welcome your response.

The subject you spoke about is dear to my heart. My comment is not in any way to disagree with your argument. However, at the same time I find it difficult to accept that the whole yeshiva system is disastrous.. First of all, not everyone is cut out to become a posek. Secondly, even if we are, I learned how to drive a car before I learned how to drive a bus. My question is whether you are opposed (and if you are, why) to learning a daf with meforshim such as the ritva and the marshah, who focus on the pshat. They ask questions and suggest answers that "it appears to me." They don't confuse you with all kinds of opinions and answers and they don't tackle the whole suguah all at once. They teach you line by line and follow a similar format and style of logic as the tosphos themselves. The student is trained over time how to approach the back and forth of the gemorah without accepting everything immediately. Furthermore, during this stage of learning the student focuses on trying to understand the underlying reasoning of both rava and abaye, rav and Shmuel and at this stage the halacha is not relevant. Even if untimately the halacha is like one over the other it doesn't mean that the other opinion is not necessary to know. If it wasn't, why did the gemorah bother to tell us their opinion. I would welcome your response.