Bava Metzia Daf 58 - Shomrim of Hekdesh, Ona'as Devarim
- Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz
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Daf Yomi
Venue: Beis Haknesses of North Woodmere
Gemara: - Duration: 44 min
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Author: False == 1 ? Anonymous : Chaim Simons &##44;
<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height: normal; margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';" lang="EN-GB"><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: Times New Roman;">The Kohen by having the first aliyah, also has another “plus”. Before reciting the berachah over the Torah, he (or the baal koreh) does not have to search in the middle of a “paragraph” for the place where his leining will begin. It will always be at the beginning of a new “paragraph” - either a parashah pesuchah or a parashah sesumah. (The only two exceptions are parashas Vayechi, and Vayechal on a Fast Day)</span></span></span></p>
Author: False == 1 ? Anonymous : Yitzchak Rosen &##44;
<p>With all due respect, I feel you are picking and choosing your sources, cases and tone of voice in order to favor honoring kohanim apposed to citing an objective point of view. We poskin today that kohanim are only considered safek kohanim with regards to all monetary and life-saving situations (which you conviently did mention even though that is what touches on the most important issue regarding the subject of "Honoring Kohanim" and <em style="font-weight: bold;">even though </em>this goes coontrary to the mishna berura- we do not poskin by the Mishna Berura.</p> <p>Sources: www.kohen.co.uk</p> <p>(<span style="color: #1f497d; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 15px;">“Rivosh” 94 and “Mahrashdam” E.H. 235) </span><strong id="internal-source-marker_0.7331338569056243" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-weight: normal;"><span style="font-size: 15px; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">11. 12. Commentary M. Isserles, glossary of Tosafot known on Baba as Ramah Bathra on 10b, J. Karo's s. v. Shulchan elyonim.</span></strong></p> <p><strong id="internal-source-marker_0.7331338569056243" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; font-weight: normal;"> <p style="text-align: right; margin-top: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt;" dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 15px; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Aruch, Yoreh De'ah 243:2:2; 243:2 M. and L. Avraham, 243:7; A. Z. commentary Eisenstadt, Yad commentary Avraham, Pitchei ibid.; Mishnah Teshuvah, Berurah ibid.,</span></p> <span style="font-size: 15px; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">547:12.</span><br /><span style="font-size: 15px; background-color: transparent; font-weight: bold; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">13. Ibid. 15:1:1. 14. Personal communication.</span></strong></p> <p> </p> <p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;">When the “Tiferet Yisroel” was a child he asked R’ Akiva Eiger, why don’t we have the laws of Nega’im. R’ Akiva Eiger remarked that he was puzzled with this as well and did not answer. The answer given (by “Tiferet Yisreol - Yevukash Da’at” [preface to Mishan Nega’im] 39) is that the Chezkas Kehuna cannot override the Chezkas Mamon.</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;">This is especially true when dealing with Dinei Nefashot (which is on the expense of others’ lives; not just Aliyos and honors). We cannot be proactive and save the Kohen even if he came later or is less of an emergency, just because he is a Kohen. His being a Kohen which can only be considered for this purpose as a Safek cannot override the Pikuach Nefesh at hand with a Yisroel – (see also: “Rivosh” 94 and “Mahrashdam” E.H. 235).</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;">Moreover, see “Rambam’s Commentary to Mishna” Horiyos 3:8 – that the laws of the Mishna apply only to cases whereby they are known to be equal in all other aspects, Torah knowledge, observance, ethically, etc. Thus, it is extremely difficult to even consider being a Kohen a criterion for preference. </span></span></p> </p> </p> </p>
Author: False == 1 ? Anonymous : Yitzchak Rosen &##44;
<p><span style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;">You are picking and choosing sources </span><br style="font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;" /> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;">With all due respect, I feel you are picking and choosing your sources, cases and tone of voice in order to favor honoring kohanim apposed to citing an objective point of view. We poskin today that kohanim are only considered safek kohanim. You conviently did not mention anything about a kohen <strong><em>not</em></strong> taking precendence in a hospital where a doctor can only save one patient. Being that that is such a fundamental aspect of the issue regarding "Honoring Kohanim", why did you completely fail to mention this while you bothered to mentioned the issue of tzedaka? </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> A kohen does not take precendence in any of these cases where<strong> any significant loss to a yisroel would be involved,</strong> <em style="font-weight: bold;">even though </em>this goes contrary to the mishna berura- we do not poskin by the Mishna Berura for the hospital, for money (tzedaka) or any kavod habriot situation: such as when someone will be embarrased or disturbed in any significant way. </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> <span style="font-size: 15px; color: #1f497d; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">When the “Tiferet Yisroel” was a child he asked R’ Akiva Eiger, why don’t we have the laws of Nega’im. R’ Akiva Eiger remarked that he was puzzled with this as well and did not answer. The answer given (by “Tiferet Yisreol - Yevukash Da’at” [preface to Mishan Nega’im] 39) is that the Chezkas Kehuna cannot override the Chezkas Mamon.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;">This is especially true when dealing with Dinei Nefashot (which is on the expense of others’ lives; not just Aliyos and honors). We cannot be proactive and save the Kohen even if he came later or is less of an emergency, just because he is a Kohen. His being a Kohen which can only be considered for this purpose as a Safek cannot override the Pikuach Nefesh at hand with a Yisroel – (see also: “Rivosh” 94 and “Mahrashdam” E.H. 235).</span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;"> </span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><span style="font-size: 15px;">Moreover, see “Rambam’s Commentary to Mishna” Horiyos 3:8 – that the laws of the Mishna apply only to cases whereby they are known to be equal in all other aspects, Torah knowledge, observance, ethically, etc. Thus, it is extremely difficult to even consider being a Kohen a criterion for preference. </span></span></p> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;">Sources: </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"></span></span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"></span></span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"><span style="color: #00998c;">Magen Avraham 201:4. Y.D. 322 Taz 5 and Shach 9; Sh'elas Ya'avetz 155; Chazon Ish, Shvi'is 5:12. See also Rama O.C. 457:2 </span></span></span></strong></span><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"><span style="color: #00998c;"> "Divrei Yatziv" by R' Y. Halbers</span></span></span></strong></span><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"><span style="color: #00998c;">tam, E.H. 6; "Yechaveh Da'at" by R' O. </span></span></span></strong></span><span id="lw_1280279232_2" class="yshortcuts" style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"><span style="color: #00998c;">Yosef</span></span></span></strong></span><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"><span style="color: #00998c;">, V 61</span></span></span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"><span style="color: #666666; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', Arial, sans-serif; line-height: normal; background-color: #ffffff;"><strong><span style="font-size: small;"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black';"></span></span></strong></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;">see also </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; color: #535252; line-height: 17px; font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: #f1f5f9;">www.kohen.co.uk</p>
Author: False == 1 ? Anonymous : Yitzchak Rosen &##44;
<p> <p>I do not mean to h"v accuse or throw off the yoke of a mitzvah but kindly leave a reply if you can shed light on what is presented below. </p> <p>~Thank you </p> </p>