Ten Minute Halacha - Have We Found the Chilazon?

Speaker:
Ask speaker
Date:
June 23 2010
Length:
13min 26s
Downloads:
249
Views:
1210
Comments:
6

Series: Ten Minute Halacha

Venue: Yeshivat Lev Shlomo (Woodmere, NY) Yeshivat Lev Shlomo (Woodmere, NY)

Halacha:
Tzitzis 

Collections: R' Lebowitz Ten Minute Halacha: Tzitzis

    More from this:
    Comments
    6 comments     Leave a Comment
    Title:
    Comment:
    Anonymous: 
    1. Title: Dosh
      Author: Levi Goldman
      Reply
      I'm not sure what extracting the dye has to do with Dosh, (I don't know the melachos very well) but it seems that in the days of the gemara they would extract the whole inside of the snail, which is approximately the size of a dried fig. Does that solve the problem at all?
      1. Title:
        yitzchak reichman Levi Goldman, 

        R' Levi, the simple meaning of the gemarah is that the removal of the blood is mechayev for dosh. However, R' Avraham ben Harambam seems to indicate that the gemarah is refering to the removal of the body of the chilazon from it's shell [and therfore is an av of dosh not a toladah like milking a cow]. Some have argued that this should not suffice for the shiur because it is melacha sheina tzreicha legufa [as only the blood is needed]. However, the speaker in the gemarah who is mechayev is R Yehuda who happens to hold that melacha sheina tzreicha legufah is chayav!

      2. Title:
        yitzchak reichman Levi Goldman, 

        It is also possible to say that the gm is discussing a case when he was potzea many chilzonos. The gemarah does not get into detail because the main point is just to bring out the machlokes if disha is only with gedulei karka.

    3. Title: support for murex as chilazon
      Author: yitzchak reichman
      Reply

      Rav Avraham Harofeh of Mantua is his sefer shiltei giborim (71) [published in 5372 - 1612. Tos YT quotes him a few times in Tamid and Middos.] says tcheles is from pupurah [greek for murex]. So does the chavos yair in his purush on OC [mekor chaim 13]. Yaavetz seems to assume this as well [mitpachas sofrim]. It is also mentioned as a possibility in Minchas Ani by R David Zintzheim [Chief Rabbi of France under Napolean - and very respected by chasam sofer.] Tiferes Yisrael in intro to moed quotes similar idea in the name of german bible scholar Gesinius.

    4. Title: University Degree D.Litt.
      Author: Chaim Simons
      Reply
      The degree which was awarded to Rabbi Herzog by London University for his work on techeles was a D.Litt. degree and not a Ph.D. The D.Litt. degree is a higher doctorate, namely it is degree which is higher than a Ph.D. He was awarded this degree in 1913 for his thesis entitled “Hebrew Porphyrology”, which means the study of purple dye. About 50 years ago I read this extremely interesting thesis at the University of London Senate House Library. Unlike theses today which have to be bound to rigid specifications, this thesis consisted of piles of pages which were just clipped together!
    5. Title: R' Yaakov Shapiro
      Author: Yoni S
      Reply

      Check out R' Yaakov Shapiro's take here:

       

      http://www.jewswithquestions.com/index.php?/topic/468-tcheiles-bzman-hazeh/

    Learning on the Marcos and Adina Katz YUTorah site is sponsored today by Miriam & Alan Goldberg and Ruth Peyser Kestenbaum to mark the thirteenth yahrtzeit of their father, Irwin Peyser, Harav Yisroel Chaim ben R’ Dovid V’ Fraidah Raizel Peyser and by Dr. Harris and Elisheva Teitz Goldstein l’zecher nishmos his parents, Rabbi Dr. Noah Goldstein, HaRav Noach ben Yitzchak David zt’l, and Beverly Goldstein, Bayla bas Noach Ze’ev z’l, on their yahrzeits this week