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The Avnei Nezer (Responsa, O.C., 128) asserts that the two cases are not comparable. In the case of the catch, the putting of the object to rest (hanachah) was not done at all by the thrower; in fact, left alone, it would have been placed down elsewhere. In the case of cooking, the total effect of the cooking was a joint effort of the one who placed the food on the fire and the one who stirred it.
The Afikei Yam (II, 4:3) discusses why the cooking situation is not one of “two who have done it” which is normally exempt. He suggests that this principle is only applicable when, in order to assign liability, the actions of both individuals must be combined. However, the stirrer could have performed his action on a pot that had been on the fire from before Shabbat, and thus has no dependency on the first one. He concludes, though, unsatisfied as to the liability of the first party, as the act of cooking only was completed through the action of the second.
Collections: Rabbi Feldman Mini Shiur (Daf)
References: Shabbat: 5a , Beitza: 34a
Publication:
Mini Shiur (Daf) Volume 1
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Daf Yomi Sugyos - Kedushas Bechor BZman Hazeh and the history of Mechiras Chametz- Rabbi Daniel Z. Feldman
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Gemara:
- Duration: 40 min
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Balancing Truth and Peace Part II - are there other justifications for deception?- Rabbi Daniel Z. Feldman
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Machshava:
- Duration: 36 min
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The Prohibition Against Castration Bayomim Ha-heim Ba-zman Ha-zeh #10/ Uniting Moshiach Ben Yosef And Moshiach Ben Dovid- Rabbi Ally Ehrman
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Gemara:Machshava:Parsha:
- Duration: 24 min
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Gemara Beitza (11): חלת חו"ל- Rabbi Yoni Levin
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Venue:
Congregation Shaare Emunah (Sephardic Congregation of the 5T)
Gemara: - Duration: 23 min
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Shabbos 5786 - 36 - Bishul Achar Afiyah; Kli Rishon- Rabbi Michoel Zylberman
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YU Wilf Campus
Gemara:Halacha: - Duration: 1 hr 7 min
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Katz Kollel Beitzah: ליקוטי עניינים - הוצאה מלאכה גרועה, התירו סופו משום תחלתו, הקדימו בשבלין, וילון בשעטנז, זכור את יום השבת לקדשו, אמירה לישראל בלא לפני עור, אכילת קדשים קלים, דעת ומעשה על התנאי, לכתחילה ובדיעבד בדיני דאורייתא- Rabbi Hershel Schachter
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Katz Kollel
Gemara: - Duration: 53 min
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The Prohibition Against Castration Bayomim Ha-heim Ba-zman Ha-zeh #9/ Beis Yisroel Shemos 1972/1977 תשל"ב/תשל"ז- Rabbi Ally Ehrman
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Gemara:
- Duration: 28 min
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The Prohibition Against Castration Bayomim Ha-heim Ba-zman Ha-zeh #8/ Beis Yisroel Shemos 1971 תשל"א- Rabbi Ally Ehrman
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Gemara:
- Duration: 20 min
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